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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m seeing search result behaviors similar to what everyone else is reporting. Omission/addition of “the” in searches is having a non-trivial effect on result rankings!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So I am also in favor of enabling in our sandboxes and evaluation and discussing further.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>Laura Spradlin <lspradli@iwu.edu>, "Gibson, Jessica" <oram@uillinois.edu>, "Skaggs, Lindsey" <lsskagg@ilstu.edu><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Discovery Primo VE Committee <discovery_pve_comm@carli.illinois.edu><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[External] Re: [Discovery_PVE_Comm] Secret search parameter to improve title search results?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I'm very much in favor of contacting Ex Libris to enable this feature in our sandboxes. Like Lindsey mentioned, I would be keen to test this with boosting 245 $a. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">If we have it enabled by our next meeting, we can make testing it a priority for our July meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Discovery_PVE_Comm] Secret search parameter to improve title search results?</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal">I’m intrigued – I think this could solve some of my specific search frustrations and I’m on board with enabling it in the sandbox for further consideration.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">In reading the thread, it looks like we’d boost 245$a specifically. I’ve mentioned in meetings my frustration with “Harvard Business Review.” Other titles regularly outrank the journal title despite my attempts at boosting (leading to
implementing recommended resources):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">For example, in the first result below, “Selling in foreign markets,” the phrase “Harvard Business Review” shows up in the 130$a, 245$c, $490a, and $500a which outranks the 245$a and 222$a entries in the journal record. My read is that
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<p class="xmsonormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Thanks for sending this, Jessica! Happy to have wrenches thrown in, especially if it can improve things broadly! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Sorry for the long line of screenshots below, but I think this might be a relevant example--one use case I've been playing with is <i>The Beet Queen</i> by Louise Erdrich. Searching
<b>beet queen</b> prompts Primo VE's search expansion with controlled vocabulary and includes "Louise Erdrich" in the search.
<i>The Beet Queen </i>comes up as result #5 in an All I-Share Libraries search (boosting did slightly improve this; previously, our IWU holding, which is grouped in the #5 result, was #7).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">However, if I click "Just search <i>beet queen</i>," <i>The Beet Queen
</i>comes up as the #1 and #2 result (boosting also helped our copy rise to the top--our IWU holding is in the first 6-version FRBR group, which, prior to boosting, was the #7 result; the second 3-version FRBR group, which does not include our holding, was
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<p class="xmsonormal">If I search <b>the beet queen</b>,<i> </i>the search expansion automatically comes up, but now
<i>The Beet Queen</i> comes up as results #1 and #4. Our IWU holding is in result #4:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">And if I click "Just search <i>the beet queen," </i>the 3-version FRBR group is the #1 result with the 6-version FRBR group at #2:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">So, in this example, it seems like "the" is having an impact, but so is the search expansion (which we have not done any real testing on).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Based on the descriptions in the listserv messages, it does seem like this setting would help and be worth testing, if for nothing else than it doesn't seem like "the" should make that much of a difference in search results.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Thank you!<br>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">While I don’t want to throw a wrench into Laura’s upcoming part of the June 11<sup>th</sup> webinar on Search Ranking, I’ve been catching up on my Alma/Primo customer list
emails, and I found the recent thread (attached; read from the bottom up; the magenta highlighting is mine) to be quite interesting. Apparently, there is a previously secret customer parameter, discovery_customer_defined_exact_match_field, that might help
with exact title search matching.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I would like to get the Committee’s thoughts on this since it sounds like it may be another on setting that needs to be coordinated consortially, but our next meeting isn’t
until June 5, less than a week before the webinar. Could we at least start to discuss via this topic via this committee email list in advance of our meeting?
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Are you all experiencing the same issues outlined in this thread with searching?
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Do you think this setting might help based on the descriptions?
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Should I file a Case to ask Ex Libris to see if they will enable this setting in our Sandbox so we could compare the differences in our 5 sandbox IZs and NZ Primo VEs with
our production Primo VEs? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We can perhaps also do some basic testing using other sites Primo VEs who indicate they have turned it on; for example, Lesli’s library is
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https://thslc-houston.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/search?vid=01TEXASHEALTH_HOUSTON:TMC_INST&lang=en</a> .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-Jessica</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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